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Building a St. Andrews?

topic posted Tue, October 25, 2005 - 9:29 AM by  BCroidayn
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any one have any great ideas on designing and building a padded St. Andrews, it need not be portable, it's gonna stay put, hopefully with me in it, kind of a present for the BF.
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BCroidayn
Tampa Bay Area
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  • Re: Building a St. Andrews?

    Tue, October 25, 2005 - 4:23 PM
    There's a pic of one in my profile. If it's what your looking for or similar let me know and I'll tell ya how I built it. I'll warn you though it weighs a ton and wasn't supe cheap but since it was my first one I'm betting I could meke it both cheaper and lighter as well as better net time around.
    • Re: Building a St. Andrews?

      Wed, October 26, 2005 - 8:49 AM
      No offense, but it doesn't look like it would stay standing on its own. How did you secure the cross to keep it from slipping?
      • Re: Building a St. Andrews?

        Wed, October 26, 2005 - 8:17 PM
        None taken.

        In fact that was my concern originally as well and my intent was to secure the top to the wall with lag screws once I had decided on a final resting place. However, after a bit of experimentation I found that so far I haven't needed to do that. Because it was (I've since moved and it's in storage right now) on wall to wall carpet it didn't slip on the floor and because it was leaned back at a decent angle against the wall even with a good bit of shaking it never moved. Mind you I wouldn't expect the same results with 2x6's or the like but with 6x6's the weight seems to be more than enough to keep it in place. On a smoother floor that may be a different issue and at that point I'd likely anchor it top and bottom with lag screws and a couple of links of chain most likely.
        • Re: Building a St. Andrews?

          Thu, October 27, 2005 - 5:42 AM
          I've seen one where there was a shelf that you could step up on that was the same angle as the cross, but it also helped to serve as a base, & it was braced similiar to what you would see a desktop picture. I hope that makes sense. From the side it made a right triangle.
        • Re: Building a St. Andrews?

          Thu, March 16, 2006 - 1:34 PM
          It still worries me... some of the people I play with can get pretty rowdy, so shaking isn't the half of it. If the cross is heavy enough to stay against the wall, it is heavy enough to injure whoever it falls on if it does get pulled over. That said, you get to make your own safety judgements for yourself, so YMMV.
  • Re: Building a St. Andrews?

    Sat, October 29, 2005 - 2:42 PM
    I would recommend that you anchor your cross to a wall rather than try to build something freestanding. If you have your heart set on freestanding, do not use any plywood in its construction, and don't be stingy with metal brackets to hold the cross to the base.

    In my opinion, padding is somewhat frivilous on a St. Andrews cross. But if you really like the look of it, definitely use vinyl rather than leather for upholstery. Leather is much harder to clean.
  • Re: Building a St. Andrews?

    Thu, March 9, 2006 - 1:28 AM
    There are many sites on the net that can give you directions on how to build one. The best one i have seen so far is Sartan's Working with leather. He has plans for many kinds of kinky crafts. The url is:

    www.saroftreve.com/wwl/index.htm
    • Re: Building a St. Andrews?

      Fri, March 10, 2006 - 2:22 AM
      I've built a few. Here are some of my opinions:

      The angle of incline that I have settled on is 7.5 degrees. Enough lean that the bttm can settle into it and enough for flogging. Vertical enough that singletailing is easy.

      Consider building a foot platform which is angled to be normal to the cross surface. This detail seems to be overlooked often, and makes a big diff for the comfort of some bottoms for a long scene.

      Hinges make good strong fasteners and can be broken down easily by popping the pin.

      I usually make my crosses out of 4X6's and just notch the center with a dado blade. They lock together and almost don't need a anything to hold them together. I use two machine bolts recessed into the wood to hold the crosses together. One would work, but two help to prevent play in the cross if it is disassembled and assembled a and gets looser at the joint. I don't recomend carriage bolts, unless the cross is not intended to be disassembled. If you don't have a table saw or radial arm saw, you can make something that fits together well by stacking different lengts of 2X4 or 2X6, depending on how heavy you want your cross to be.

      I saw a design recently which I may try. I metal stand with a car wheel on it. The wood cross was mounted to the lug bolts of the wheel. The service brake was intact. Release the brake, and the cros rotated freely. Apply the brake, and the cross was locked into position.

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